Current Branch is build 10586, while Current Branch for Business is 10240. The irony is that you need build 10586 for Windows to understand the concept of "Current Branch for Business".
I hope this fixes the taskbar autohide being buggy and the start menu and search buttons sometimes not working. Somehow I doubt it though since these problems have been around since at least February.
So far so good on the start menu and search buttons. They seem more responsive also.
The only problem I'm having now so far is that when I turn the computer on in the morning it locks at the Windows logo. If I shut it off, then back on right away, it boots fine. I suspect this might be a GPU driver issue though. I'll be installing a beta tonight so I'll find out in the morning if that was it.
To make sure I understand (Yes, it does) a clean install is allowed because windows 10 leaves a footprint in bios which shows it is a legitimate copy. Is this correct? My windows 7 was OEM...Would that create a problem with windows 10 clean install?
As I remember it, whether you had OEM or retail copy of an earlier Windows, when you updated for free to Windows 10, you had a month to roll back to a previous version. After that, you can't (legally).
Yeah, with 10 you want to first install 10 as an upgrade from Windows 7 or 8, wait until it's activated, and after that you can reinstall it as a clean install. Microsoft offers disk images for 32/64 and regular/pro that work for DVD or flash drives.
Upgraded from legit Win 8.1 Pro to Win 10 then a while after activation ( ~ 2 months?) I had an issue with the OS and I thought what the heck: clean install (and by clean install I mean wiped disk then installed latest Win 10 ISO through USB). Automatic activation did not happen. Tried 8.1 Pro key: No go. slui.exe 4: Nada. Went through MS Answer Desk and within 15 mins the guy on the other side remote assited and activated the OS using a new key (it may have helped that Win 8.1 Pro upgrade came directly from their online store). Clearly I went wrong by wiping the disk first as opposed to choosing the reinstall option but nonetheless I expected the activation server to recognise the PC hardware/OS key and accept the damn thing. Still pleased with how their answerdesk sorted it out; none of this: have you restarted the PC...
Just like Brett said, there are lots of subtle, yet welcome changes. They're really hard to list (I also forgot most of them, I'd have to go back to 10240 to remember but no thanks).
Tablet Mode is improved; - the transition in and out of tablet more is much smoother. You don't get that horrible, laggy auto-resizing; the focused window will now just get maximized in a smoother transition. - Multi-tasking is better and more intuitive, where you can drag a windows thumbnail in task view to either end of the split screen. If you already have 2 apps in split screen and you open a new one, it'll ask you where you want it placed. Small, but helpful.
In Desktop Mode: - you can now resize a snapped window and the other window will fill the gap automatically. - Store apps now have a fade-out a transition when closed, just like desktop apps.
Those are from top of my head, I KNOW there are lots of other changes, but I can't seem to recall...
Installed on my Core i3 Sony Vaio Tap 20 yesterday and no problems found. The overall feel of this build is that it is "done". Build 10240 was really good before, but 10586 already feels better. Time will tell though as I continue to test over the weekend when I have more time to putz around with it.
Updated two 10240 installations at home (already had 10586 on my box)...easy-peasy. There are some other changes as well under the hood that only Insiders would know of...such as new memory compression routines and other things. Start menu is fine & my start menu has been fine for several builds now...I don't use tiles and I don't use full screen and mine is a single-column wide--so I can't comment on those horrid tiles or the full-screen start menu (ugh.) As far as games go I don't have a single game that won't run under Win10x64 10586.3, and I've got some going back 30 years or more. That's what makes Windows great--backwards compatibility, imo.
Business builds (enterprise) will always update at a much slower rate after this first one. Which makes perfect sense, of course, for business. Microsoft is doing Windows right these days--better than I've ever seen the company work. Listening to customers has become #1 for them and if it took the Win8 fiasco to wake them up then I guess it was a good thing. "The Valley" is much like Washington DC in that the residents are often far out of sync with the rest of the country's preferences. Glad to see Microsoft bucking the brain-dead Apple trends again...;)
I'm hoping this fixes the problems I've had with "sleep" on two systems. On one, the system won't stop "sleeping" despite everything being set to never sleep...and conveniently it's a system that needs to run 24/7. On another, it sleeps fine, but when woken up it also starts sleeping after a few minutes despite settings.
That's the #1 issue I've had with 10 so far. A lot of the smaller bugs have been stamped out since July, thankfully.
I've been offered the November version on two systems so far-the one I have it on it seems good so far. As this article mentioned the interface is actually subtley changed, including using more of the accent color on dialog boxes, which is fun. I've used Bing Desktop for years because of the fun changing images every day-on 8 and 10 it also changes the accent color, which gets used more prominently post-update it seems. Yeah, it's just for fun, but I really like it and wish other OSes would copy Windows. My iPad's been staring at the same quite lame image for years now (sure I could manually change it every day, but...)
Hilarious. My machine will never turn off the display, despite being set to. Windows 10 really is a mess. Lucky for them they removed my ability to go back to 8.1 after a month with no notification or warning.
I tried updating my HP Stream 7 from Windows 8.1 back in September, but after a couple days, I could no longer launch Mail, Calendar, or any of the new apps that are now included with Windows, except Edge worked just fine. The problem persisted after a couple weeks, so I reverted back to Windows 8.1. Apparently a lot of people have had this problem, and the only definitive solution I could find was to reinstall Windows 10 from scratch. (Alternative solutions worked for some people, but not others.) Has this problem been fixed?
This update is a step in the right direction, although I still feel it is a bit immature. For instance, some icons have been updated, but not all. The settings menu and the control panel do overlap quite a bit (but the former lacks quite a bit of the features of the control panel.
Upgrading 4 machines has gone well overall, including fairly old gear such as a Thinkpad X200 (as was the case with the upgrade to Win 10), although I did run into an issue with network adapter drivers: my Intel GigE adapter and my Hyper-V virtual switch had to be uninstalled first, and reconfigured for me to restore internet access to the computer
MS couldn't make the November Update process much worse: * It took quite a long time even on SSD. Forcing a general population throgh this process every quarter is some nice passive-agressive torture. Smartphones and tablets do not have quarterly mandatory downtime. Why does MS think that PCs should have it?
* On first logon Windows STILL wanted to continue updating and displayed "your files are still there" for an absurdly long time. Why the wait???
* Antivirus was gone. As were couple of device drivers. Why???
* "Fax" and "XPS document writer" reappeared under Printers. Why???
* Wallpaper was gone, simply black background. Why???
It turned out the Power Settings were also randomly reset to default. Really "helpful" indeed.
I can't help to think this is all part of the plan to push people towards using Microsoft Accounts (I'm using local account currenty). As if there was no way to preserve wallpaper and power settings without it.
Wow...they just now added the feature to right click & save as?????? sounds like it's still a beta version!! Lol I'll wait until July 2016 to update thank u.
Upgraded my 3 home PCs last night, and I'm pretty happy with this build overall. Wish there'd been more Edge improvements as I'd really have liked it to have stood a chance, as it is I think it's going to be too late to the party, which is a shame.
The only trouble I had with the upgrades is on one of my machines the wallpaper disappeared, as another forum user mentioned. Just a black background.
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Gigaplex - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Current Branch is build 10586, while Current Branch for Business is 10240. The irony is that you need build 10586 for Windows to understand the concept of "Current Branch for Business".jay401 - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Prepare to re-do all your privacy settings like telemetry. This update re-enables a lot of things people turn off. Naturally. Thanks Microsoft.babadivad - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
Can you turn off automatic Updates yet?skiboysteve - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Brett you can use Cortana! Congrats!!zeeBomb - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Whew, these incremental updates seem rather substantial to some people, awesome!And now Brett, Cortana ain't a problem!
prime2515103 - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
I hope this fixes the taskbar autohide being buggy and the start menu and search buttons sometimes not working. Somehow I doubt it though since these problems have been around since at least February.wouterkcs - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Update failed, and reverted back to before update. Now what?jimjamjamie - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Ubuntuprime2515103 - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
So far so good on the start menu and search buttons. They seem more responsive also.The only problem I'm having now so far is that when I turn the computer on in the morning it locks at the Windows logo. If I shut it off, then back on right away, it boots fine. I suspect this might be a GPU driver issue though. I'll be installing a beta tonight so I'll find out in the morning if that was it.
kuser - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Does this allow a clean install with windows 7/8 key? I thought I've read up on that but can't find a reference now.DigitalFreak - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Yes, it does.Sandan - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
To make sure I understand (Yes, it does) a clean install is allowed because windows 10 leaves a footprint in bios which shows it is a legitimate copy. Is this correct? My windows 7 was OEM...Would that create a problem with windows 10 clean install?Hul8 - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
As I remember it, whether you had OEM or retail copy of an earlier Windows, when you updated for free to Windows 10, you had a month to roll back to a previous version. After that, you can't (legally).Hul8 - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Sorry, I misread. I thought the OP was talking about reinstalling Win7/8. :-/Wolfpup - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Yeah, with 10 you want to first install 10 as an upgrade from Windows 7 or 8, wait until it's activated, and after that you can reinstall it as a clean install. Microsoft offers disk images for 32/64 and regular/pro that work for DVD or flash drives.K_Space - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Upgraded from legit Win 8.1 Pro to Win 10 then a while after activation ( ~ 2 months?) I had an issue with the OS and I thought what the heck: clean install (and by clean install I mean wiped disk then installed latest Win 10 ISO through USB). Automatic activation did not happen. Tried 8.1 Pro key: No go. slui.exe 4: Nada. Went through MS Answer Desk and within 15 mins the guy on the other side remote assited and activated the OS using a new key (it may have helped that Win 8.1 Pro upgrade came directly from their online store). Clearly I went wrong by wiping the disk first as opposed to choosing the reinstall option but nonetheless I expected the activation server to recognise the PC hardware/OS key and accept the damn thing. Still pleased with how their answerdesk sorted it out; none of this: have you restarted the PC...jcompagner - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
now you can just do a clean installand put in your windows 8 key
I did that with one of the latest insider builds, it now just accepts directly keys that are upgradeable
lilmoe - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
Just like Brett said, there are lots of subtle, yet welcome changes. They're really hard to list (I also forgot most of them, I'd have to go back to 10240 to remember but no thanks).Tablet Mode is improved;
- the transition in and out of tablet more is much smoother. You don't get that horrible, laggy auto-resizing; the focused window will now just get maximized in a smoother transition.
- Multi-tasking is better and more intuitive, where you can drag a windows thumbnail in task view to either end of the split screen. If you already have 2 apps in split screen and you open a new one, it'll ask you where you want it placed. Small, but helpful.
In Desktop Mode:
- you can now resize a snapped window and the other window will fill the gap automatically.
- Store apps now have a fade-out a transition when closed, just like desktop apps.
Those are from top of my head, I KNOW there are lots of other changes, but I can't seem to recall...
Mugur - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Will this update be included in the ISO on MSDN or VL site, like the major 8.1 updates?Gigaplex - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Yes. It's on MSDN now.Daniel Egger - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Meh, trackpad on ZenBook is not recognised as trackpad anymore so multitouch, scrolling etc. does not work.Sandan - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Does this update address problems with the Mail App (App shuts down intermittently or intermittently Freezes)Michael Bay - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
It was adressed long before that through store updates.Megatomic - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Installed on my Core i3 Sony Vaio Tap 20 yesterday and no problems found. The overall feel of this build is that it is "done". Build 10240 was really good before, but 10586 already feels better. Time will tell though as I continue to test over the weekend when I have more time to putz around with it.OFelix - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
"Cortana has also had her market expand"Her? It is a piece of software!
Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
WaltC - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Updated two 10240 installations at home (already had 10586 on my box)...easy-peasy. There are some other changes as well under the hood that only Insiders would know of...such as new memory compression routines and other things. Start menu is fine & my start menu has been fine for several builds now...I don't use tiles and I don't use full screen and mine is a single-column wide--so I can't comment on those horrid tiles or the full-screen start menu (ugh.) As far as games go I don't have a single game that won't run under Win10x64 10586.3, and I've got some going back 30 years or more. That's what makes Windows great--backwards compatibility, imo.Business builds (enterprise) will always update at a much slower rate after this first one. Which makes perfect sense, of course, for business. Microsoft is doing Windows right these days--better than I've ever seen the company work. Listening to customers has become #1 for them and if it took the Win8 fiasco to wake them up then I guess it was a good thing. "The Valley" is much like Washington DC in that the residents are often far out of sync with the rest of the country's preferences. Glad to see Microsoft bucking the brain-dead Apple trends again...;)
Wolfpup - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
I'm hoping this fixes the problems I've had with "sleep" on two systems. On one, the system won't stop "sleeping" despite everything being set to never sleep...and conveniently it's a system that needs to run 24/7. On another, it sleeps fine, but when woken up it also starts sleeping after a few minutes despite settings.That's the #1 issue I've had with 10 so far. A lot of the smaller bugs have been stamped out since July, thankfully.
I've been offered the November version on two systems so far-the one I have it on it seems good so far. As this article mentioned the interface is actually subtley changed, including using more of the accent color on dialog boxes, which is fun. I've used Bing Desktop for years because of the fun changing images every day-on 8 and 10 it also changes the accent color, which gets used more prominently post-update it seems. Yeah, it's just for fun, but I really like it and wish other OSes would copy Windows. My iPad's been staring at the same quite lame image for years now (sure I could manually change it every day, but...)
coburn_c - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
Hilarious. My machine will never turn off the display, despite being set to. Windows 10 really is a mess. Lucky for them they removed my ability to go back to 8.1 after a month with no notification or warning.hojnikb - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Is this using the new memory compression tech or is this still exclusive to insiders ?Also, is anyone else stuck at 40% while updating while using a baytrail-t tablet/box ?
Michael Bay - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Had this on my M80ta. You have to remove an SD card and retry, then it installs as it should.They actually knew about this when insider preview rolled out earlier, the bastards.
Ktracho - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
I tried updating my HP Stream 7 from Windows 8.1 back in September, but after a couple days, I could no longer launch Mail, Calendar, or any of the new apps that are now included with Windows, except Edge worked just fine. The problem persisted after a couple weeks, so I reverted back to Windows 8.1. Apparently a lot of people have had this problem, and the only definitive solution I could find was to reinstall Windows 10 from scratch. (Alternative solutions worked for some people, but not others.) Has this problem been fixed?Michael Bay - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Yes, it works as it should now.Eiffel - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
This update is a step in the right direction, although I still feel it is a bit immature. For instance, some icons have been updated, but not all. The settings menu and the control panel do overlap quite a bit (but the former lacks quite a bit of the features of the control panel.Upgrading 4 machines has gone well overall, including fairly old gear such as a Thinkpad X200 (as was the case with the upgrade to Win 10), although I did run into an issue with network adapter drivers: my Intel GigE adapter and my Hyper-V virtual switch had to be uninstalled first, and reconfigured for me to restore internet access to the computer
JimmiG - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
The context menus are still inconsistent.Empty area on taskbar: Menu fades in.
Right-click icon in taskbar: Menu slides in from the bottom of the screen
Right-click start menu: Menu instantly pops up with no transition effect at all.
Lux88 - Saturday, November 14, 2015 - link
MS couldn't make the November Update process much worse:* It took quite a long time even on SSD. Forcing a general population throgh this process every quarter is some nice passive-agressive torture. Smartphones and tablets do not have quarterly mandatory downtime. Why does MS think that PCs should have it?
* On first logon Windows STILL wanted to continue updating and displayed "your files are still there" for an absurdly long time. Why the wait???
* Antivirus was gone. As were couple of device drivers. Why???
* "Fax" and "XPS document writer" reappeared under Printers. Why???
* Wallpaper was gone, simply black background. Why???
Michael Bay - Sunday, November 15, 2015 - link
Because it was essentially installing itself anew, not "updating".Lux88 - Monday, November 16, 2015 - link
It turned out the Power Settings were also randomly reset to default. Really "helpful" indeed.I can't help to think this is all part of the plan to push people towards using Microsoft Accounts (I'm using local account currenty). As if there was no way to preserve wallpaper and power settings without it.
poohbear - Sunday, November 15, 2015 - link
Wow...they just now added the feature to right click & save as?????? sounds like it's still a beta version!! Lol I'll wait until July 2016 to update thank u.Gunbuster - Sunday, November 15, 2015 - link
Is add a non broadcasting SSID in the new menus or is it still a forget/add hell in three different screens?MattMe - Monday, November 16, 2015 - link
Upgraded my 3 home PCs last night, and I'm pretty happy with this build overall.Wish there'd been more Edge improvements as I'd really have liked it to have stood a chance, as it is I think it's going to be too late to the party, which is a shame.
The only trouble I had with the upgrades is on one of my machines the wallpaper disappeared, as another forum user mentioned. Just a black background.